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Syther Shadows
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Posted - 2013.03.08 06:09:00 -
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I tthink this is a perrfectly legitimate game tactic if yoou don't adapt you willl die i found this out in eve llong story short
you guys should stop complaining about it and attempting to ruin red line snipers days and just embrace it as another objective to victory
as Sun Tzu said
when you look at a battle you should see the end result and steps you must take to get there
the steps you should take should be flexible and can change in a instant
(so this can mean you should look at winning matches and redline sniping can be one of the ways spawn camping can be another one ccp can patch these out in a instant so be ready and don't complain when things don't always works the same way every time) |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 06:22:00 -
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BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I agree that it is nothing to cry about, especially considering that most redliners cant shoot for ****, but heres my question, where have yo ever read or watched a documentary of people fighting people, where one side couldnt get to the enemy because of some imaginary barrier?
its not about realism
its about using all steeping stones you can to achieve the end result
America wanted a (fair) war in Vietnam
look what happened there ?
look up any documentation about Sun Tzu it will most likely mention that battle and how the general thought of the battle field with a single minded approach and that in turn lost him the diplomatic war
yet the leaders of the Vietnam resistance caused the Vietnam general to fail |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 06:24:00 -
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Dalton Smithe wrote:Redline sniping, means you have already lost the battle, or well have no gun game and can't fight for crap.
with that kind of single mindedness
you will loss many battles to come
unless you follow some one as a leader then if he knows how to lead you shall prosper in your roll
*edit*
even with flaws a good leader accept imperfections
and minimizes your representation to your weakness
and maximizes on your strengths
so if you are following some one i suggest you learn while you still can |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 06:26:00 -
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BL4CK FRIAR wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I agree that it is nothing to cry about, especially considering that most redliners cant shoot for ****, but heres my question, where have yo ever read or watched a documentary of people fighting people, where one side couldnt get to the enemy because of some imaginary barrier? its not about realism its about using all steeping stones you can to achieve the end result America wanted a (fair) war in Vietnam look what happened there ? look up any documentation about Sun Tzu it will most likely mention that battle and how the general thought of the battle field with a single minded approach and that in turn lost him the diplomatic war yet the leaders of the Vietnam resistance caused the Vietnam general to fail Sun Tzu was in Vietnam? Really?
read up about the Vietnam battle
the Vietnamese general used Sun Tzu's tactics
*spoiler us withdrew its drops due to a diplomatic victory* |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 06:38:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:BL4CK FRIAR wrote:Syther Shadows wrote:BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I agree that it is nothing to cry about, especially considering that most redliners cant shoot for ****, but heres my question, where have yo ever read or watched a documentary of people fighting people, where one side couldnt get to the enemy because of some imaginary barrier? its not about realism its about using all steeping stones you can to achieve the end result America wanted a (fair) war in Vietnam look what happened there ? look up any documentation about Sun Tzu it will most likely mention that battle and how the general thought of the battle field with a single minded approach and that in turn lost him the diplomatic war yet the leaders of the Vietnam resistance caused the Vietnam general to fail Sun Tzu was in Vietnam? Really? Not even the right country let alone the right time period.
i did not say he was in the battles BAKA !
(lol)
the genral in the Vietnam war ...
**** it ill just link you to something you can easily obtain if you spent 3 seconds to fact check me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMNaULHLH9c&feature=player_detailpage#t=713s
WATCH FROM HERE WATCH FOR FIVE MINS
OR GTFO |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 07:00:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:Red line sniping should not be encouraged.
Redline snipers should be kicked from the battle.
Redline sniping doesn't help by much.
ive had tons of matches
where a corp member in team speak has sat back and giving us lintel on where the enemy team is
provided cover fire to corp members who have been pined down even defended points single-highhandedly from the base
id like to see some one in a assault suit do more than just run at the target shoot them and hope they die
every person he spots will die or be in a position that we will never show up to and be useless to his team
we don't kill him since we don't need to
its not about kd/r its about winning the battle and winning the war |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 10:13:00 -
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I can agree with a lot of these choices
and once again i have made the same mistake i did in my first troll post and got to involved in the subject
(go to my original post re-read it and wright down the repeated letters in the first sentence)
ok so my ACTUALLY thoughts on red line sniping
while as some of you have pointed out
yes it can be a good thing if done well and in a squad really well if its the leader giving orders
i think that it is more effective if you are in a position near the center of the battle field that's high up and hard to reach
(preferable only reachable by air vehicles)
ive even heard of people ontop of the mcc....
ye
he was a sniper :3
but basically until camo or some sort of
im safe if i keep my distance and don't do to much button is applied
red line sniping will be the flavor of the month for a lot of people
-easy kills
-safe from being flanked (with some situations like drop ships and ect)
-low risk
-hey at least im not afk so im doing something for my team (possible what they think in there head)
one of the problems is
we all come from lone wolf games (or some of us)
from what ive seen a lot of casual players don't get to do much team work
so they base everything of there results there stats ect
idk if you played cod but most of the time
NO ONE CARED if you win or loss the match
all they care about is there KD/R and stuff like that
so if you want to try and eliminate red line sniping as a total
at the start of the match attempt to play more supportive roles so those kill hungry people can get the kills
spawn as a heavy and keep the enemy suppressed
or draw the enemy fire
all these little things can make or brake some ones day and determines how they will possible play the game for the rest of the match and hell they could start of red line sniping
in the end all i can really say is thank god there not afk
at least there doing something and not just sitting there
that guy we saw on half hp as we walk around the corner who we barely just kill
could have just been shoot by a team mate
red line sniping as it is (IN MOST CASES) is a useless pile of dust that no one wants
but it has lots of potential even
(look that happened with rail gun tanks)
these types of gameplay elements where created developed and perfect by us the player
these types of things i hope to see plenty more of them for better or worse
im sick of the standard run of the mill
AR SHIELD TANK ASSAULT CLASS
i want to see some tactical scouting party setting up ambushes
or a heavy triage group all healing each other and running forlolz
then when the enemy run out of ammo (very unlikely) they just gun them down
this game has so much potential with players and the devs
the next person to discover a new way to do x
will probable receive no fame
but if they discover it
and people complain about it being a exploit
yet cpp says they want players to find ways to play the game
is it really a exploit ?
that's the question ill leave you with |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 10:35:00 -
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TODDSTER024 wrote:If the entire other team sits on the red line and tries to snipe the entire time, my team will cap the null cannons and win.
as a full team yes
but read the other comment
snipers are for more than just killing and spotting |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.08 11:14:00 -
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empty souls wrote:new hulk wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:Redline sniping = instant fail Yes but how many games ha e you started and had six and seven snipers right out of the gate ? I had one game yesterday with 9 ....That turned out so well ....sniping is really broke in this game you have to admit...
alliances in eve have failed due to people unwilling to admit one thing or concede to a (shameful tactic)
if there is one thing that is good in the eve universe
its a open mind
that will keep you in one piece (most of the time) |
Syther Shadows
CowTek
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Posted - 2013.03.09 07:27:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:The thing is - if redline sniping could bring about victory then sure knock yourself out. The reason it gets so much hate is because it pretty much garuntees your team won't win. To protect your precious kdr you stop contributing to the win. That's why 99.99999999% percent of the time redline sniping is for pussies
99.99999999%
so what you mean we have like 1/3th of a player who redline snipers is a pussie ?
(that's implying we have like 3 million players) |
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